The fact is that there aren't enough decent female characters out there. But when they do appear, they inspire. They are something to celebrate, to defend, to admire. The characters that when someone starts to complain about, we can't help but defend. What would the world be without them? We each posit our respective lists of top five (and more) female characters in the sci-fi and fantasy we read/watch.
Laura's List
5. Luna Lovegood
I spent a good portion of my childhood not fitting in, and it has shaped a lot of who I am. Including my sympathy with and love of people who clearly are outcasts. And none more so than Luna. She’s the acknowledged, and constantly-picked-on resident weirdo of Hogwarts. And they’ve got a point -- the things she believes are sort of weird. But kids, and adults as well, are often unable to dig beneath the odd interests to the person beneath, and she suffers a lot for that. It’s significant that Harry stumbles upon Luna in his fifth year, the time when he’s fighting against a hopeless public who believes he’s a liar. From the beginning, her vote of confidence meant something to Harry, and as time goes on, it begins to mean even more. She supports him through the fiasco at the Department of Mysteries, and is the only one who knows what to say after Sirius’ death. In that moment, her beliefs are not weird, they are comforting. Luna is always a strong, amazing young woman, remarkable for her patience and acceptance -- of Harry, of the Death Eaters, of the pranks and teasing she has to endure from her classmates. But as the walls of her bedroom -- painted with Harry, Ron, Hermionie, Ginny, and Neville -- show, it’s through them that she became her best self.
4. Susan Sto-Helit
Being Death’s adopted granddaughter (long story) does have it’s advantages -- the ability to stop time, walk through walls, have a perfect memory, be basically invisible, change people’s memories -- it comes with some occupational hazards, like having to do your grandfather’s job when he’s on vacation, or save the world (twice) from the Auditors, something it appears that only someone mostly human can do. She’s sensible to a fault, which makes her the best governness and schoolteacher around (though the ability to take her class on field trips to Ank-Morpork’s battles doesn’t hurt, either). Oh, and she treats the Auditors of reality like seven-year-olds who’ve misbehaved. Which is actually quite accurate.
3. Kaylee Frye
A self-trained mechanic, Kaylee gets hired to work on Firefly when the captain walks in on her having sex with the current mechanic, whereafter she proves in a few number of words that she knows how to fix the ship that her fling can’t. She may look like a tomboy, but beware if you hint that she can’t be a woman and a mechanic. She has a love affair with strawberries and poofy skirts, two things that are close to my heart. And if nothing else, Kaylee has the sunniest, sweest disposition ever, making even the criminal activities of the Firefly crew sound adorable. Possibly the most lovely, genuine character ever.
2. Donna Noble
The firey redhead was branded as a “yelling fishwife” when she first appeared in A Runaway Bride. It took her coming back for the fourth series for most of us to realize just how amazing she is. She’s firey, oh yes. But she’s surprisingly sensitive, to the Doctor, and what he’s gone through. She picks him back off the ground and dusts him off. She stops him when he can’t stop himself. In the new series, she is his best friend, the closest he’s got to an equal. She makes his wanderings worth seeing, the trip worth taking. Out of all the Doctor's companions, she sees perhaps the most of his bad side, of the traits he wants to hide, of the things that happen to people who he cares about. But that doesn't make her love him less. Nah, he's just a "big dumbo" who is so skinny "you hug him, you get a papercut!" You can't help but love her sass. All that attitude, because she thinks she’s not special, that the universe isn’t listening. But it is. Because she saves it. But for one moment, one shining moment, she was the most important woman in the whole wide universe.
1. Beka Cooper
A few months ago, if I had to pick a Tortall woman, my answer would have been Kel or Aly. That was until my friend Leslie read the second Beka Cooper book and spent nearly an hour telling me how this was her favorite heroine yet, and I realized she was right. If there is a definition of “tough” that doesn’t describe Beka, I haven’t found it yet. She grew up in the gutters of the slums of Tortall’s capital, and it’s her persistence and determination that gets her out of there, into a noble’s household. With many trades to choose from, she joins the Provost’s Guard, Tortall’s equivalent of the police, on watch in the worst district, where she will fight tooth and nail for the people who live there. And she does. Against thieves, slavers, and colemongers, she will do anything and everything to keep the peace and order. She stands up to everyone and anyone who gets in her way, regardless of rank and position. She has no high birth, no important connections, no great plans, just her sense of right and wrong, and determination to make it right. And she does it with skill and flair, earning her nicknames -- Terrier, Bloodhound. But the best part is, underneath the tough exterior is a real girl, with her own struggles. Seeing her in uniform, on the job, you'd never guess she was hopelessly shy. Or that she worries about paying her own rent, and about where her siblings will end up. Or that she's not nearly as suave with men as she'd like to be. But in spite of all that, she managed to achieve so much. She rocks.
Suzanne's List
5. Catelyn Stark
This is what I often hear when I tell people that Catelyn Stark is one of my favorite characters in A Song of Ice and Fire. “She could be so naive sometimes!” “Oh, she’s mean to Jon, she’s a bitch,” “If she hadn’t captured Tyrion the entire war wouldn’t have started in the first place, she’s an idiot.” And I’m sorry, there is only one proper response to all of these haters. And that is, FUCK YOU, SHE’S AWESOME. The thing I respect about Catelyn the most is that she’s not one of those women who is an outcast, or flouts the system. She entered into an arranged marriage, she’s mothered five children, she is in every respect a typical medieval upper-class woman. And yet this does not take away from the complexity of her character, nor the power that she wields. Cat knows her world. She knows that her position as a woman in her society automatically renders her inferior in the eyes of many. But she also knows that she has power--as a mother, as a wife, as a widow. And she is not afraid to take that power and use it to her full advantage. She will do whatever she can do protect the people she that she loves--travel the country alone, negotiate with enemies, even help break Jaime Lannister out of prison. And so often it is she who talks sense when all the men around her are being idiots.
4. Minerva McGonagall
It’s a testament to J.K. Rowling that I had an exceptionally difficult time deciding which lady from Harry Potter I wanted to be on my Top Five list. Luna, Hermione, Ginny, McGonagall--they’re all wonderful, unique, powerful witches. In the end, however, I have to put McGonagall at the top of the list. And I think it’s pretty obvious why. When Harry first meets McGonagall, he recognizes off the bat that this is “not someone you wanted to cross.” He was right, but it took about half the series for him to realize something else. McGonagall is not only a woman you don’t want to cross, she is also a woman you want very much to have on your side. McGonagall plays by the rules. She is an incredibly strict, demanding teacher, unafraid to discipline even her favorite students when she knows it’s necessary. And yet she is not afraid in the slightest to break the rules when the need arises. We see this first when she allows Harry on the Gryffindor Quidditch team, but it plays out in so many more important ways as the series progresses, particularly when outside forces encroach upon Hogwarts. She is also so incredibly loyal, with the most poignant example being her defence of Hagrid in OotP. Even though Hagrid clearly drives her crazy half the time, she does not hesitate to rush down to defend him, taking on four full Aurors and nearly dying in the process. She will defend Hagrid, Harry, anyone she cares about to the death. She is also, in her own right, an exceptionally powerful and courageous woman. Her skills shine most brightly in the final battles of Deathly Hallows, but really, should we ever have doubted the power and brilliance of the only registered Animagus in the last half century? And she does all of this, as Laura put it, with class. More class than I ever could hope to muster. But that does not stop me from wanting to be exactly like Minerva McGonagall when I grow up. Professor and all.
3. Katara
This is the lady on my list who I most strongly identify with. When I first started watching Avatar my roommate told me that Katara reminded her a lot of me. Which I couldn’t quite see in the first few episodes, but...she’s totally right. Katara is a hell of a lot more awesome than me, but I do see so much of myself in her. She always wants to believe the best in people, no matter what (until Zuko pushes that particular envelope a bit too far). She is caring, she is loyal, she’s a little bit mothering and overbearing at times, and she is, bless her heart, the best kind of feminist you could ever hope for. Her transition from tentative waterbender-in-training to Badass Master of Waterbending is just so delightful to watch. For most of the first season, she is so uncertain of her skills as a waterbender. She knows she has a lot to learn, but she’s not sure where that path is going to take her. Then she gets to the Northern Water Tribe (after going through a ridiculously harrowing journey) only to be told that no, only the males of the Northern Water Tribe get to learn waterbending. And she just point-blank *refuses* to accept that. She does nothing less than take on the most powerful waterbender in the tribe to prove that women can waterbend just as well as men. And in doing so, she finds out something about herself. She finds out that she is strong, and resilient, and has more power than she ever thought she did. And it gives her a confidence that serves her so beautifully throughout the rest of the season. It is she who holds the group together when crisis strikes--the episodes following Appa's kidnapping are the most poignant examples of this. The scene where she takes Aang out of the Avatar-state in the desert will never fail to bring tears to my eyes. She is the one who holds out hope. Who always wants to help people. Who never gives up. And the importance and beauty of that can never be understated.
2. Laura Roslin
Love her or hate her, support or disavow the choices she made over the course of this show, you can never deny Laura Roslin’s resiliency, adaptability, and courage beyond reason. She goes from Secretary of Education to President of the Twelve Colonies in a matter of moments. In a heartbeat, a rather ordinary woman becomes leader of the 50,000 survivors of the Cylon attack, constantly on the run, constantly having to make the most difficult decisions. Most people would be purely overwhelmed by it all. Not Laura Roslin. Despite the fact that she’s never had leadership experience on this scale before, she takes her duties as President—and simply runs with them. She’s willing to learn, and does learn. As President of a fleet constantly under the threat of attack, she has to make lightning-fast decisions, and does with the barest glimpse of hesitation. She knows exactly what she wants, and knows how to get it—and does get it, 90% of the time. And the fact that she is doing all of this while suffering from terminal breast cancer half the time is just incredible. You never see her display any fear. Ever. If you mess with her, she will air-lock your ass. This woman is the role model of mental strength, to such an intense degree. Yes, she makes some decisions that I strongly disapprove of--hiding Hera, condemning abortion, fixing an election (EXCEPT, ACTUALLY I HIGHLY APPROVE OF THAT LAST ONE. OMG). But she never apologizes for the choices she makes. She pushes on, she moves forward. And I admire that to such an intense degree. Also, she somehow manages to procure weed on New Caprica. YOUR AGRUMENT IS INVALID.
1. Leia Organa
In short, she is my hero and still whom I want to be when I grow up. In more detail… despite the fact that Leia is the only woman in the Original Trilogy of Star Wars, and the fact that it was made in the late 70s, where Hollywood directors hadn’t even heard of the word feminism, she remains amazing on so many levels. Let’s start out with the fact that in A New Hope Leia is nineteen years old. Nineteen, and she is the Senator of her home planet, in addition to being a clearly established leader within the Rebel Alliance. Vader sees her as a clear threat when he imprisons her. She withstands imprisonment and torture without any fear, and can we talk about the way she acted after the destruction of Alderaan? Her home, her family, her entire planet is destroyed, and yet she never loses her composure onscreen—not in front of Vader and Tarkin, not in front of Luke and Han, and not in front of the rest of the Rebellion. Ice princess, for sure. And ok, yes, she has to be sprung from the Death Star prison by Han, Luke, and Chewie. But let’s talk about the fact that without Leia’s resourcefulness, the four of them would never have survived to escape the Death Star. When she comes out of her cell, they’re under fire from stormtroopers thanks to Han and Luke’s brilliance. I love them both, but those two numbskulls went into that rescue operation with absolutely no plan. Without Leia’s garbage chute idea, they all would have been dead. So she’s not at all the helpless princess you’d believe on first sight. She’s established even more as a leader in Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, and she saves both Luke and Han’s asses on multiple occasions. She is always calm, cool, collected, and the Head Bitch In Charge. And yet you also see her depth and complexity beneath her collected exterior. It’s so clear how deeply she loves Han, and she’s willing to sacrifice everything she’s worked for in the Rebellion just to save the man she loves. And if we get into a discussion of the Expanded Universe, she goes on to become President of the New Republic and a Jedi Master. It’s impossible to be any more fantastic than that.
Honorable Mention List:
Alanna the Lioness - Tortall
Buri
Aly
Keladry of Mindelan
Sabriel
Lirael
Rose Tyler - Doctor Who
Martha Jones
Sarah Jane Smith
River Song
Zoe Washburne - Firefly
Inara Serra
Hermionie Granger - Harry Potter
Ginny Weasley
Eowyn of Rohan - Lord of the Rings
Ivornwen
Granny Weatherwax - Discworld
Nanny Ogg
Adora Belle Dearheart
Arya Stark - Song of Ice and Fire
Sansa Stark - Song of Ice and Fire
Brienne of Tarth - Song of Ice and Fire
Mara Jade Skywalker - Star Wars
Shmi Skywalker
Toph - Avatar
Kara Thrace - Battlestar Galatica
Jordan Cavanaugh - Crossing Jordan
Lorelai Gilmore - Gilmore Girls
Katniss Everdeen - Hunger Games
Any more ladies who that we forgot? Who has awesomeness that you just can't handle? Share with us!
Very nice, ladies!
ReplyDeleteI very much like of your choices. I'm very glad to see McGonagall on the list. For me, her...loyalty isn't quite the right word... maybe constant-ness...through all of the HP books is something I love. In DH when Harry comes back to Hogwarts after months doing who knows what, I love that she doesn't skip a beat. She utterly trusts him and is still there for him. Dumbledore might be gone, but with McGonagall there Harry will always have a very tangible ally at Hogwarts.
Also.
Beka! Beka! Beka! Beka! Beka! Beka!
That's my happy chant that Beka not only made the list but is number one on your list, Laura! October 25th is less than a month away!
These are both really wonderful lists! Great choices, and the ones I don't know I want to find out about. FUCK YEAH DONNA NOBLE and so forth.
ReplyDeleteI would add Amy Pond (why isn't she an honorable mention? are you guys not fans?), Ella from Ella Enchanted (fav kids book) and Lisbeth Salander from Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.
I can't speak for Suz, but as for Amy Pond -- I am a fan in many ways, but not completely. There are some aspects of her character that I'm not excited about, and some things that Moffat has done with her this season that sort of turn me off. She's close to making the honorable mention list, and perhaps she will, once her arc is completed.
ReplyDeleteYea, Ella Enchanted! I haven't thought about that book for years. I should re-read it.
(spoilers for ASOIAF follow) I'm going to have to disagree about Catelyn; I'll never forgive her, one, for her treatment of Jon as he grew up and, two, for her endless narrations in which she's going on and on about how she always did her duty and went along with the flow and yet now her entire life is collapsing around her. It seems like every time she does something I respect (releasing Jaime), she follows it up with TERRIBLE DECISIONS. (i.e. Robb's will and her vehement rants about how you can never trust bastards? How could she not understand that the situation they're in was a little more dire than her bizarre grudge against a child she kept in her own home for fourteen years? Be mad at your cheating husband, not at the freaking baby.) The only time I ever remember her actually talking sense I agreed with to the menfolk is when she told Robb to trust Grey Wind and keep him around at all times.
ReplyDeletePlus there's the attitude she shows towards Brienne - sure, she takes Brienne as her guard and I respect that, but her narration is all "poor Brienne, she's so weird and ugly, how terrible for her." Which is just so totally her - she was always pretty, she always did what was expected of her, she always fit the mold, and she can't even understand that not-fitting the mold might be a good thing. also, ugh, how she was completely oblivious to Lysa's problems and what their father did to her.
(do not even get me started on UnCat, worst, most pointless narrative decision ever, GRRM, and she makes even more terrible decisions!)
Sorry for the rant - I'll admit she's a complicated character but I've never been more relieved to no longer have to read a character's POV in ASOIAF. It's like a lot of the things she does are badass, but her mental landscape is dull and pedestrian to me. (almost like Ned, now that I think about it!) I want to make a comparison to Sansa (my favorite character) here, but I don't want this to get super long...
anyway, I like all the rest! <3
"(do not even get me started on UnCat, worst, most pointless narrative decision ever, GRRM, and she makes even more terrible decisions!)"
ReplyDeleteThat much at least we can agree on. Ugh, I haven't read Feast For Crows yet, but I have heard enough to know I am going to be SO UNEXCITED when zombie!Cat comes along. :/
I don't necessarily disagree with you on any of this--I can't even begin to try to defend her attitude towards Jon, and she does have some fairly twisted thought processes that go along with her position in life. She's not necessarily even my favorite female character in the series (that would be Brienne), but as I was saying to Laura, I'm singling her out for this list because I'm tired of seeing all the active hate being dumped on her on the Internet. Again, not to say that dislike of her is invalid, but it does seem a bit unfair to me when people so actively criticize her actions and then turn around to heap praise on other characters who have just as skewed moral compasses and who make just as terrible choices on occasion (i.e. ALL THE LANNISTERS, lol). And for me, at least, the badass things that she does aren't overshadowed by the things I disapprove of.
(Also, this is why I love tv-Cat so much over book-Cat--it's like they took all my favorite parts of her and sort of glossed over the non-favorite parts. Who knows how that will evolve in upcoming seasons, but for now it makes me happy. And I am sort of in love with Michelle Fairley).
Also, omg, how the hell did I forget to put Sansa and Brienne on this list???!?!?! Bad, stupid me!! *fixing now*
I was going to add that liking what she does, not how she thinks translates to me enjoying her TV version a lot. (But then again, her scenes in the show usually mean I get to see ROBB, infinitely more interesting to me in visual form.)
ReplyDeleteI think you're right about her getting a lot of hate on the internet for reasons that don't make sense. She's definitely a good pick for the list from that perspective (Sansa would be too! I think Arya is almost universally loved while people hate on Sansa like crazy.) People who criticize Cat for kidnapping Tyrion because that "started the war" are failing at basic reading comprehension / somehow ignorant to the fact that someone was manipulating everyone involved to start the war. (I can't remember when this gets confirmed explicitly though it's obvious in retrospect.)
Cat is the only character I'm supposed to like whom I don't like. I feel a little bad criticizing her decisions when everyone in the books makes terrible decisions; she just doesn't get the benefit of the doubt I give the others because I don't like her and I don't like feeling narrative pressure to like her (as opposed to, say, Cersei whom I don't like and am not supposed to like and I think her chapters are beautiful~ lol). I think Cat's a little too black-and-white and straightforward for me? I tend to like characters who are morally ambiguous and dangerously intelligent (Littlefinger, Tyrion, Varys) or "weird"/different/outsiders (Brienne!). Or girls going through coming-of-age narratives (Sansa, Arya, Dany to an extent)!
Wow, GRRM definitely covered a lot of bases, character-type-wise. He also does very well female-character-wise though I don't want to give the books a wholehearted feminist endorsement.
and, oh man, now I really want to resurrect the post I was working on about Sansa and the mother figures in her life.
ReplyDeleteROBB!!!! I love all the scenes with the two of them together. You just can't go wrong.
ReplyDeleteYeah, the Sansa-hate is also really prevalent and stupid. Sigh. Haters gonna hate.
I definitely get what you're saying, there are plenty of characters out there who I feel like I'm supposed to like but rub me the wrong way, or I'm just ambivalent towards (Jon, for instance...blasphemy, I know! It's not that I don't like him, it's just that...he bores me? I know he shouldn't, but he does). And for my own preferences, I do tend to gravitate more towards the black-and-white characters, though I do enjoy the morally ambiguous ones quite a bit also (all I want is for Varys to have a PoV chapters IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK???).
(And you should totally resurrect that Sansa post!! I would read it :D)
ROBB IS PERFECT, SO BEAUTIFUL. I'M DRUNK RIGHT NOW BUT JON IS DEFINITELY NOT THE MOST EXCITING LOL. I like him, but he is super dull personality-wise. He's very Ned, with added childish insecurity. I liked his decision-making in ADWD a lot, though, and view him mostly as a woobie-type kid with a lot on his plate. The most exciting thing about Jon is that he might be a secret Targaryen (and, IMO, the primary evidence for him not being a secret Targ is that he is not interesting enough to be a Dragon; the gods flip a coin when a Targaryen is born to determine if they'll be great or insane, as Jaehaerys II told Ser Barristan, but Jon is neither great nor insane so far.)
ReplyDeleteVarys can't have POV chapters because he KNOWS TOO MUCH (and IS ACTUALLY TOO PERFECT.) There are a few choice, beautiful details about his childhood and plans~ in ADWD that justify the entire book. I love Littlefinger way too much too, but I think/expect Littlefinger to end up mostly-evil-or-at-least-entirely-self-interested and think/expect Varys to be ultimately good-for-certain-perspectives-on-good. I would kill for a Varys POV, it would be so amazing. I love when the TV show adds extra Varys scenes, like the banter-with-Littlefinger scenes (yeah, I want a Varys + Littlefinger sitcom where they're the odd couple sharing an apartment and also compete with each other as lobbyists in DC, laugh-track included.)
i will, i have all the quotes on my Kindle. So much Sansa commentary is on Sansa/Sandor or Sansa/Littlefinger or all the other CREEPY OLD DUDES WHO ARE AFTER HER FINE ASS that I want a discussion on her relationships with adult women (starting with Catelyn, including at least Cersei and Lysa.)
(Hi, it's me, liana ! )
ReplyDeleteHi guys! This is a fun blog. Here are some additional thoughts on the matter...
As I once interrupted some strangers' conversation on a Boston subway to agree with emphatically, the character Cimorene from "Dealing with Dragons" by Patricia C. Wrede is one of the best witty/resourceful/brave/kick-ass female characters in fantasy books. She's awesome. I even chose her as my fictional roommate on my Northwestern college application. And then in the fourth and final book of the series she just sits there fading away for 17 years while she raises her son to save the day...IT MAKES NO SENSE. WHY. WHERE IS THE CIMORENE WE ALL KNEW AND LOVED. gaaah it's upsetting and unexplained. still bugs me. (So maybe just read the first three books!) ...also advanced warning, the author is not good at coming up with good-sounding character names.
You covered a lot of other ones that I would have picked. I was happy to see Kaylee up there, and the president lady from BG even though I only watched a few episodes, and I am glad that Sabriel made your honorable mentions list (I gotta reread that...although they are SO SCARY). I also agree with the other commenter who mentioned Ella from Ella Enchanted. Something that I really love about her is that she is empowering as a special subset of the "strong female character," showing that she can win her battles without just being a tough warrior woman all the time. Her story has plenty of room for feelings about friendship, family, romance, being picked on at school, getting dressed up for a dance, etc., that make girls who still do like that stuff be able to identify with those parts of her and then ALSO her ability to defeat ogres.
Hmm, "tough warrior woman,"/"romance"...who does that make me think of...oh yeah, Katniss Everdeen!! Is there a reason she got no love at all from you two?? I mean, in real life if I saw her coming I would probably cower in fear behind a rock instead of becoming her best friend, but the "Hunger Games" books are quality entertainment.
Sorry, this is really really long...I'll just add a few more things.
Such as...what about Hermione? (I'm not gonna say Ginny because she became too perfect ever since she got over her inability to speak). I think Hermz deserves more than an honorable mention! But I understand why you guys went with Luna and McGoogles, but I just want to make sure you don't have some kind of gripe with Hermione. (Not counting the Hermione from the movies because I have hella gripes with her).
A few others:
Dido Twite from Joan Aiken's "Wolves" series (a series of books for kids that take place in England a couple centuries ago; they're pretty dark and fun)
Claudia from Warehouse 13 (the only sci-fi tv show that i watch)
Belle from Beauty and the Beast
Sammy Keyes (that's not fantasy or sci-fi...she is in middle school in California and she solves mysteries)
and I'm actually stopping now. goodnight!!
Katniss! I completely forgotten about her. I will add her to the honorable mention list.
ReplyDeleteI have no gripe with Hermionie, I just thought Luna was awesomer. And I was trying to make my list a bit less conventional, to be honest.
I really liked what you said about Luna :)
ReplyDeleteLove this post! I identify really well with Luna Lovegood especially :) Another one I'd mention is Nyota Uhura from Star Trek - she was the only female on board the Enterprise in the original series, from the 60s, and she is badass! :D
ReplyDeleteBEKA!! I absolutely love the Beka Cooper series! I finishe Mastiff two days ago and I'm still in a state of excitment, and depression (why, Tunstall, WHY?) I really wish there was more! All the ladies on your list that I actually know of I am in full agreement of!! As for Catelyn Stark...I totally can forgive her treatment of Jon. Her husband (from an arranged marriage that she's chosen to make the best of and actually love) comes home with a baby he had with another women? She can't really do anything about it, wouldn't any woman act the same? And she never hits him or really mistreats him, he seems healthy enough. The only additions I see to this list is Yelena and Opal, from Maria V. Snyder's series'. Any who haven't read them you need to! Some of the content can be a bit hard, but it's never to explicit and Yelena always kicks all kinds of ass! I've read the Study series 5 times and still not had enough Yelena! Look em up!
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